Whatever pills these people are on I would strongly suggest that they pay another visit to their Doctor and get them changed, clearly it is giving them hallucinations

Gazza wrote:
Assistance fund? Is that what they call it these days. The only way that I can see this working is if we 'suddenly' get a large increase in the fanbase. Talk about business investment, what business is going to have dealings with a club that has had two CVA's and numerous CCJ's? We can't even get a shirt sponsor for god sake.

White knights like NVN do not exist in this day and age, we all know from experience of the last two chairmen. But to say that he only got involved when he heard the club had lost the stadium is insulting to Vics fans. If he was truely concerned about the club and had bothered looking into the last 10 year history he would be in the same frame of mind as the majority of genuine Vics fans, especially after spending so much time on the Trust Forum. If he was a genuine white knight he would be buying Rushe out, handing it to the fans and then building his stadium because that is the only way that this fanbase will ever unite but maybe that is not his intention or objective.

The only thing that makes any sense to me is to discredit, alienate and ostrisise the Trust and it's membership! as they are the only section that question the chairman's motives and agenda's, with the Trust out of the way, the route is clear of road works and traffic lights.

Still no 'Official' statement from Rushe but then again was he ever in full control of the club, was it Rushe that was always making the decisions?

The reincarnation of the OSC was predictable but I never expected anything like this project. In my honest opinion Vics do not deserve it such generosity from a complete 'stranger'.

Something isn't quite right with this set up, this association, this 'recent' relationship, this conspiracy, this smoke and mirrors project.

I don't get how NVN can expect the fans to help fund £4million for a new 7,000 seater ground. Jim Rushe has already failed to secure a ground deal for a much smaller sum than that and has proved incompetent at running a club on a much lower scale. Who would trust Jim Rushe and anyone to oversee a multi-million pounds project with our money?

It all seems so grand on paper, but we have seen it before from Connett and countless other owners in the past in an outside of this football club. Fans are sick and tired of these so called grand schemes and promises that will never happen, and want to see some realism and action that protects the long term future of this football club. The Trust are the only body that provide this realism. Not blind faith and delusion like some other parties at this club.

For the record, the OCS/Supporters Club (of old) has not been involved in any discussions what so ever with Steve McNally, Jim Rushe and/or the Club in general….and neither could it have done as it’s been effectively ‘disbanded’ for a year or so, for reasons of - ‘dwindling’ interest and continually ‘nothing (new) to report’ over significant periods….and on a personal basis, neither have I (had any discussions)…. I made one post on here (The ‘ONLY’ way forward) a few days ago, with my personal opinion – and nothing has changed my mind since.

IMO, having’ briefly’ read the proposals (NVN) – ‘on paper’ it all sounds great and a lot of work seems to have gone into it….but everything has to be discussed much further and in greater detail with everything being verified/ratified, as being ‘water tight’ and ‘over and above board’, before anyone can formally ‘back’ the proposals with any confidence….and without it going back to how it’s been for the past 20 years or so – ‘same old same old’ with the fans having no say what so ever – being promised the earth and getting nothing - other than getting THEIR Club dragged through the mud time and time again – burning bridges with – the league(s), the FA, the Tax man, local businesses, local people and many local/rival clubs etc etc – not many other parties left, so I suppose things can only get better on that point!

Everyone (I believe)needs to take a deep breath and consider what options there are before making ‘rash’ decisions/conclusions….and by not making ‘hasty’ statements/forming opinions that can only be detrimental to ‘any’ future NVFC (or equivalent) in whatever ‘guise’ it may be.

I personally, would only back a ‘new’/phoenix Club if the old NVFC wasn’t around, as I couldn’t turn my back on NVFC and all its history/my family’s support etc – regardless of ‘spin’ on what constitutes the ‘Club’.

Having said that, neither could I ‘fully/whole heartedly’ support the current NVFC, without ‘massive’ changes as to how its run/conducts itself, both internally regarding players, staff, officials and fan base and to the wider community/businesses/footballing ‘family’ in general….and this, I believe, will be the ‘major’ problem/stumbling block….because, as far as I can see, it’s still going to be ‘same old, same old’ with the ‘fans’ getting minimal/little ‘official’ input into how the Club is run - whilst doing the majority of the work/fundraising etc.

So IMO (for what it’s worth) to summarise, the following two points need addressing/resolving in order for everyone/anyone to be able to move forward, with any chance of success.

1) The Trust halt (temporarily, in the short term) from continuing to promote/start a new Club….and refrain from ‘slagging off’ (maybe with good reason or not) the existing Club and its management – as this is only driving a wedge between the Trust and the Club and also between the Trust and a large number of (still undecided fans) fans, which can neither be helpful to a future/’new’ NVFC nor to the existing NVFC in moving forward – and will very soon (if not already) be at the point of no return, which can’t/won’t help anybody.

2) The Club/Jim/Steve – if they want the fans backing in any great numbers, with any great endeavour - need to prove ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ that the current situation/previous situations won’t happen again – by proving exactly where the Club is up to with payments and finances etc – and if this doesn’t happen, because its “none of our business” , then we know that potentially it has gone past the point of no return….and we will also know that they (the Club) has no intention of letting the fans get ‘properly’ involved with the Club….and therefore we would never be sure that this can’t/won’t happen again – so we will all have a decision to make…...and that is why the Club need to ‘prove’ to us all that they are serious by allowing ‘a fans group’/Trust, to be ‘legally’ involved with the Club, with binding agreements/frameworks - and, as I believe – this can only be done through ‘a’ Supporters Trust, which would hopefully be made up of 300 or 400 Northwich Vics fans, voting in large numbers on ALL issues regarding NVFC – and if Jim/Steve won’t accept this, then I for one cannot and will not understand their reasons.

So URGENT and frank discussions NEED to take place ASAP, with all parties (extreme views and all)…….otherwise, by the sounds of it the following WILL happen - (1) The Trust will have a hell of a lot of work/years in front of them, trying to evolve a new Club, with minimal/little support…...whilst (2) The existing Club will stumble on ‘same old same old’ with ‘fragmented’/depreciating support from an already ‘suspicious’ fan base/business world/’football family’

Good post, but this isn't possible and if so, where are Vics going to play until then. They wont get enough fans to get the money we need. I see there is some sort of a future but how much of this topic are lies. There is no proof and we just simply don't have the money. :Scarf:

Mark can you please for the record show proof of where and when the Trust in their official capacity as representation of its members has slagged off the existing club and it's management?

I'm a little concerned about this comment as the Trust continue to offer support to the club which has been refused by Rushe, who has driven the wedge between the fanbase with his continued lies and deception, that has fooled some fans but not others. This is where the split exists, no where else, other than individual issues that have never been laid to rest from the days of Connett..